February 11, 2012


Patriots Daily Mock Draft, Part 2

by Patriots Daily Staff

After a productive first two rounds in yesterday’s post, the PD Mock continues with our Saturday picks (Rounds Four through Seven).

FOURTH ROUND

Greg DoyleAndre Roberts, WR, The Citadel. As Scott indicated yesterday, Roberts is a polished, professional sounding receiver with good triangle numbers and production, albeit at a lower college

Scott Long

level. He can return kicks and is fearless as a receiver. I did see him drop an easy pass in the Senior Bowl, but that could happen to anyone. As an alternative and since I’ll be selecting another receiver later, I’m very partial to UCLA’s CB Alterraun Verner who may not have the greatest speed numbers, but was very productive in college and is a playmaker at cornerback.

Chris Warner: That’s makes three of us for Mr. Roberts. What’s not to like? Good 40 (4.4), very strong shuttle numbers, plus a metric ton of versatility (returner, running back, Wildcat QB), make him an intriguing, low-risk pick here.

Scott Benson: You guys will lose out on Roberts if you wait until the fourth. Remember where you heard that. Anyway, I haven’t read more than a stitch on this year’s late round prospects, so I’m afraid I can’t help much with the picks today. Where I may be of assistance is in highlighting some of the third day players that the Pats have either worked out privately, or hosted for a Foxborough visit over the past several weeks. I’ll slot them per Pro Football Weekly’s most recent draft value chart. Fourth round prospect visits included DE Daniel Te’o-Nesheim and LB Donald Butler; private workouts included DT Arthur Jones, CB Dominique Franks, RB Jonathan Dwyer, WR Scott Long, and QB Mike Kafka. There’s always a chance that one of them will wind up being the pick here.

FIFTH ROUND

Chris: Okay, I’ll go ahead and pair this with a third-rounder for 2009 Derrick Burgess… (Damnit!)

Scott: Maybe the Pats will end up replacing that fifth rounder after all, Chris. If they do, they may be targeting Foxborough visitors like DE Hall Davis or RB’s Monatrio Hardesty and Charles Scott; or perhaps a player they privately worked out like DT Corey Peters. I’ll also note Kam Chancellor here; Greg liked him much higher, but Pro Football Weekly is anticipating a 5th round slot for the big safety.

SIXTH ROUND

Scott Sicko

GregSherrick McManis, CB, Northwestern-McManis is a good zone corner that the Patriots have reportedly shown interest in. He reminds me a bit of Asante Samuel coming out of college and has room to grow.

Chris: I like McManis, but find myself intrigued by running back Deji Karim of Southern Illinois to continue the reconstruction of New England’s backfield. Kevin Faulk signed a one-year deal. Karim is small, strong and quick, and would benefit from Faulk’s tutelage – especially in pass protection. Originally I had him as a seventh-rounder, but an exceptional pro day (4.4 in the 40) bumped him up a round.

GregScott Sicko, TE, UNH. Sicko is a very productive college tight end who played at a lower level but was extremely productive. Known for his outstanding hands, he has improved hisstanding this post-season with great 40 times at his Pro Day. He is a hard-working kid who has the athletic ability to become a good NFL tight end and may just need to bulk up slightly.

Chris: Because I address tight end concerns in Round 7, I’m going with UCLA linebacker Reggie Carter. We like Reggie, and not just because he gave PD our first interview this season. He’s tough, strong (31 reps of 225 at his pro day), and has leadership qualities (elected a captain of the defense at the East-West Shrine Game). An under-the-radar guy who will bolster special teams.

Scott: In this range, the Pats may also be looking at OT Nic Richmond, who they worked out, or RB James Starks and S Kurt Coleman, who both got special attention from New England after their respective pro days.

Chris: Because the Pats have close to a million picks in the seventh, let’s just put them out there in a bunch. You first, Greg.

SEVENTH ROUND

Greg: (229) Zac Robinson, QB, Oklahoma State. A productive college quarterback who is tough and can move effectively in the pocket.

(231) Darius Marshall, RB, Marshall. A good college back with a nice size/speed combination and some power behind him.

(247) Thomas Welch, OT, Vanderbilt. Athletic former tight end works hard and is smart. Only been a lineman for a few years and plenty of room to improve.

(248) Steven Turner, WR, Bishops Queen College (Canada). Who, you say? A truly under the radar player who caused a buzz when he was at the CFL Evaluation Camp (The CFL’s equivalent of the Combine) and shattered records for that camp by running a 4.31/40. Also posted numbers in other tests that would have placed him near the top of the wide receiver class at the NFL Combine. Suddenly, the NFL wanted to know who this guy was. Well, he’s a pure burner and project with the skills to develop. He wasn’t overly productive in college, but then again, he’s playing with guys at quarterback who aren’t that talented. He did show some skills as a kick returner. His times could make him as high as a 4th round pick and a month ago even NFL scouts hadn’t heard of him. Says here the Patriots roll the dice on this project.

7(250) Pat Angerer, LB, Iowa. A very productive and quick but undersized kid who works extremely hard and, at the least, will be a great special teams player in the NFL.

Chris: I like ‘em. Robinson would be an interesting guy to watch in camp, while Turner looks like someone worth finding oot more aboot (sorry – couldn’t resist).

Mickey Shuler

I got mostly offensive-minded in this round, but I’m starting with (229) Brent Bowden, P, Virginia Tech because if the Pats can use a sixth to draft a long-snapper last year, they can use a seventh to secure their punter. Bowden’s one of the best.

(231) Mickey Shuler, TE, Penn State. No one likes the old school more than Bill Belichick, and Shuler reeks of that era: he’s a blocking TE who sees himself as a receiver, with an NFL vet father.

(247) Chris Maragos, S, Wisconsin. If you have speed and quickness as a safety, great. If you have brains, even better. Maraga has them all and would, at the very least, add to the special teams unit.

(248) Jameson Konz, TE, Kent State. This round’s the best time to take a chance on a player, and considering the Patriots got Julian Edelman here last year, I’m heading back to Kent State for a receiver/athlete type.

(250) Bill Cundiff, QB, Ashland. I’m stealing your guy, Greg. I like his 24 TDs vs. one interception. Those are great numbers at any level, even Pop Warner (no relation).

Scott: I’m just thinking of how exhausted we are every spring after tracking 250+ draft picks; it’s the only time of the year when I don’t want any more football. That only lasts a few hours, though, because by the next day I’m combing the web for UDFA signings. Anyway DE Chris McCoy was the only site visit in this range, but workouts included DE’s Antonio Coleman and Alex Daniels; DT’s Aleric Mullins and Ricardo Matthews; LB Matt Mayberry; CB’s Nolan Carroll and Robert McClain; FB Manase Tonga; QB’s Zac Robinson (mentioned earlier by Greg) and Rusty Brown; and G Phil Costa and C Jim Cordle. The Pats also visited with UMass receiver Jeremy Horne after his recent pro day.

Chris: So, readers, give us your picks in the comment section below. We’ll pay special attention to the under-the-radar guys New England should take – be the first on your block to say “I told you so!”

Q&A With Penn State TE Mickey Shuler

by Chris Warner, Patriots Daily Staff

Penn State Tight End Mickey Shuler

Joe Paterno – head coach of Penn State for roughly 2,000 years – loves to run the ball. That means that at least one of his tight ends takes on blocking duties while the other grabs the lion’s share of passes (pun intended).

Mickey Shuler found himself in such a situation this year. While Nittany Lion teammate Andrew Quarless had the type of season that got him invited to the NFL combine (41 catches, 536 yards, three touchdowns), Shuler (11 for 89, two TDs) went unnoticed. The 6-foot-4, 250-pounder improved his draft status with a strong pro day, including a 4.62-second 40, 28 bench press reps and a 6.7-second 3-cone drill, the last of which bested all times for tight ends in Indianapolis.

Shuler took a quick break to discuss his pro day, his Nittany Lion career and how he ended up following his well-known father (former PSU and NFL tight end Mickey Shuler, Sr.).

Well, let’s start out by finding out where you are and what you’re up to.

Right now, I’m in Key West. I came down with one of my buddies, one of my teammates. My parents and my grandparents are down here. Came down to take a few days off and get some fishing in. After the pro day, you kind of – we were building up to that, so we need a few days off here. Came down to relax.

That sounds great. Is this just a short break, and then you’re getting back into working out? What are you plans for the next few weeks?

Yeah, oh, we already started working out again down here. We stopped lifting maybe that Wednesday… until that Monday. So, I’m already back working out, but we’re down here for a few more days. It’s kind of just a waiting game right now… We actually bought a one-way ticket, so that if a team calls and we have to fly back, we can fly back whenever. But I’m heading back to Pennsylvania in a few days. Again, it’s just working out and waiting around until maybe you get a call for a personal workout. Or, if not, then I guess draft day.

Have you been able to meet with any teams after your pro day?

Oh, yeah. I talked to most of the scouts there – not most of them, but a handful of those guys. They all said that they’re going to go back and watch film more, and they have to meet with the other coaches and things. So, they still needed to get some workouts or some digits, but I’m still waiting to hear back with all those things.

And how are you feeling about your pro day?

Good. I was pretty happy with the numbers that I put up. I had a goal set in mind, you know, for each event, and I was pretty close in all of them to what I expected to do. What I wanted (the pro day) for was just to open up some eyes since I didn’t get to go to the combine or the Senior Bowl or anything like that. It was kind of my first, you know, go-round in front of scouts to show them what I can do. And actually, I thought I had a pretty good – when we did the receiving, with the position-specific stuff – I felt pretty good in all those drills, and hopefully somebody liked me. You just need one person to fall in love with you, and that’s what I hope to gather, just to come out and do exactly what I did: open some eyes.

Did you watch the combine at all? Were you thinking about what kind of numbers you could put up in comparison?

Yeah. I definitely watched it, and I think I should have been there. Well, I know I should have been there. But, you know, it was kind of hard for me to watch and see some of the guys that I knew that I was better than and that I could have put better numbers up than they did. But it’s all right that I didn’t get to go. I got to see everybody. They already set a bar, so it was for me just to try to get to the top of that, and in any event that I could, I wanted to try to be the best at it.

Could you figure out why you weren’t invited? Was it a matter of, maybe they didn’t want to take two tight ends from Penn State, or just a matter of how you played the position this past year? What do you think it was?

When I looked at it – I mean, when you go down and look at the list – it’s either receivers or blockers (at tight end). The receivers are the guys that caught at least 30 balls, and the other guys were the guys that were 6-6, 270 pounds, bigger guys. There weren’t that many guys that were a blocker and a receiver, pretty good at both of them. You know, they told me I had a vote or something like that, but I just didn’t make the cut… Coming out of the year, I thought I had a pretty good shot at it, to get invited. I knew it was going to be on the bubble, but it’s a numbers game, and I just didn’t have the stats. They don’t look at how good you are at blocking; they don’t count those. It’s all “30 receptions for 500 yards” or something like that, that’s kind of what (makes) their eyes pop out.

During the season, did you feel like you weren’t getting enough chances at receiving, or was that in your mind at all?

Yeah, it definitely was. I mean, I was open a bunch, but it just was a matter of the quarterback finding you. A lot of times it just seemed to not work out for me when I would be in there, and then the other guy would go in, and for some reason he would get the ball thrown to him. But I am a receiver, and I can run, and can get open and I can catch the ball, but I just wasn’t used that way. At Penn State, for some reason, they told me to be the blocker and the other tight end to be more the receiver.

Did that turn out to be something where you started focusing more on blocking, or you were trying to keep your skills open to both?

Yeah, you’ve got to keep them up on both, but I feel that receiving comes more naturally to me. Blocking’s something that I think you have to work harder on: getting the right footwork, getting the hands inside, staying low, using your leverage. Especially for a guy my size, 250 pounds, and you’re blocking a guy that’s 280-285 pounds, a little bigger than you. So, you really have to be sound in your technique to be able to move somebody that’s bigger than you.

Let’s talk about your decision to go to Penn State. Judging by who your father was, was it your decision?

(Laughs.) Yeah, it was definitely my decision. I mean, I grew up going to Penn State football games when I was a little kid, and sure enough I wanted to play for the team. We were watching and idolizing these guys. I did have to look at other schools because Penn State didn’t offer a scholarship until late, I guess it was February my senior year, basketball season. So, I did have to go around and look, and maybe look at a walk-on on a bigger school, or even at Penn State. But when they came and offered a scholarship, I mean, I took it right away. So it wasn’t a big decision for me.

What other schools were you looking at?

Oh, we visited a bunch. I didn’t really have – you know, Penn State was the only big-time school I had an offer from. Any of the 1-A schools I could have went to, but we looked at Virginia, North Carolina, Duke. We just went on a trip down South, there, and just looked at all those different schools. I kind of had to keep my options open. But the thing that kind of hurt me, I think, was that a lot of the guys didn’t think I was really serious in coming there, because of my father and my ties with Penn State. Sometimes we’d go in there, on a visit, and that’s one of the first things they’d ask: “Are you really serious about coming here if we offer you a scholarship?” Yeah, I was, but kind of in the back of my mind I had Penn State locked in, if they would have offered me.

You said you played basketball in high school. How serious were you with that?

I was definitely pretty serious. I was a three-sport athlete, actually. I did track, also; I ran the hurdles. But, my senior year we made it to the state playoffs in basketball, so we weren’t too bad. I think if I was a little bigger, maybe I would have gone to college and played basketball. Football was just a better fit for me, and trying to go pro in either sport, definitely my size just fit better in the NFL. Because otherwise I’d have to be a guard, and I wasn’t a guard, I was a power forward/center.

In terms of basketball, how does that help you in football?

It teaches you to use your body. You know, when you’re posting up down low and you have a defender on your back and you’re trying to get the ball, you’ve just got to use your body to shield him… and the same thing when you’re playing football. You run a pattern, say a five-yard stop, like a turn out. You have that linebacker on your inside hip, or if he’s on the outside, you go inside. Either way, you’re holding him on one hip, and the quarterback’s going to lead you away. So, it’s really similar to basketball. And in pass-blocking. When you’re playing defense in basketball, it’s similar to pass-blocking in football. You’ve just got to stay in front of the guy, mirror him. In football, you have contact, obviously… but it’s really the same stuff, and you learn footwork and get better with your feet when you play basketball.

How would you describe the offense at Penn State?

They try to say that they went to a Spread HD offense. I guess they like a big name on it, but I don’t think the offense up there has changed in, I mean, I don’t know how many years. It’s still the same base stuff. We’re a run-heavy team, but we have gotten to (do) a lot more throwing. That’s one thing that has changed. But, you know, Joe has still got his roots in the run game, and that’s what you need – that’s what we wanted to be, a strong run team and then use the pass (to mix it up). Sometimes we couldn’t do that, just because of certain situations, but I felt Penn State had a good team on offense and defense. We had good linebackers. They’re known for Linebacker U, but me and my dad always joke around and say it should be Tight End U. We’ve got a bunch of tight ends: Troy Drayton, Kyle Brady, John Gilmore, my father, ones that got to be in the NFL and have good careers.

Speaking of that, what do you think you might need to work on to prepare for next year?

You know, definitely, I’ve got to get bigger and stronger. And really, for me, I’m going to have to get into the film and learn to look at it in a lot more detail than I think we did at the college level. Because, obviously, it’s your job. It’s your life when you get to the NFL, and you’ve got to put everything, all your energy, into it. You’ve really got to study your opponents. You’ve got to be sound in your technique in blocking, with your footwork and your hand inside and leverage, like I said before. And then there’s hitting. And, you know, you can’t be a step late because that ball’s already there, otherwise it’s intercepted if you’re not there. So, you’ve got to be crisp in every aspect of your game, and in the NFL, you can’t afford – or you won’t get away with – some of the things you did in college, and just get away with the athleticism in college. In the pro level, you’re not going to be able to do that.

Well, Mickey, I really appreciate your time today, and I wish you a lot of luck in the next few weeks.

Thank you, I appreciate it. It was nice talking to you.

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