Comments on: Making The Rounds http://www.patriotsdaily.com/2009/01/making-the-rounds/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=making-the-rounds Where Every Day Is Patriots Day Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:38:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: bobd http://www.patriotsdaily.com/2009/01/making-the-rounds/comment-page-1/#comment-5159 bobd Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:14:07 +0000 http://www.patriotsdaily.com/?p=1677#comment-5159 Chris WI Hey Chris, no I haven't tried it. Just my observations. Here's the thought process. Assuming everyone gets on the board (deleting IQ dropouts and character flaw guys) the top 3 metrics seem to be: speed, college production and prototypical size. You combine all 3 and the highest of these fall in the 1st round. But what happens in the latter parts of round 2 and the other rounds. It seems that all the teams seem to gloss over production but keep speed. That's my point. I think in the latter rounds we should over emphasize production and fade speed. I mean if players are producing they must have something else on the ball. Let's see how it goes in this year's draft and see if the Pats draft some high production guys in the latter rounds. Chris WI
Hey Chris, no I haven't tried it. Just my observations. Here's the thought process. Assuming everyone gets on the board (deleting IQ dropouts and character flaw guys) the top 3 metrics seem to be: speed, college production and prototypical size.
You combine all 3 and the highest of these fall in the 1st round. But what happens in the latter parts of round 2 and the other rounds. It seems that all the teams seem to gloss over production but keep speed. That's my point. I think in the latter rounds we should over emphasize production and fade speed. I mean if players are producing they must have something else on the ball. Let's see how it goes in this year's draft and see if the Pats draft some high production guys in the latter rounds.

]]> By: STI http://www.patriotsdaily.com/2009/01/making-the-rounds/comment-page-1/#comment-5157 STI Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:39:33 +0000 http://www.patriotsdaily.com/?p=1677#comment-5157 Off the top of my head, a number of players say hi: CB Mike Richardson (6th round, 2007), LB Gary Guyton (2008 UDFA), S Raymond Ventrone (2005 UDFA). [BTW--I don't recommend getting on Ventrone's bad side. He knows how to deliver a hit.] Off the top of my head, a number of players say hi: CB Mike Richardson (6th round, 2007), LB Gary Guyton (2008 UDFA), S Raymond Ventrone (2005 UDFA).

[BTW--I don't recommend getting on Ventrone's bad side. He knows how to deliver a hit.]

]]> By: Chris Wl http://www.patriotsdaily.com/2009/01/making-the-rounds/comment-page-1/#comment-5156 Chris Wl Wed, 21 Jan 2009 23:29:18 +0000 http://www.patriotsdaily.com/?p=1677#comment-5156 bobd, any past use of this we could look at? i'm a sucker for a good formula. If you haven't had a chance to try it out yet, let's see it in a couple of months once the combine is over and the draft picks/trades/free agent acquisitions look more solid. If you can figure out a hard science for Day Two picks, you'd really have something there. bobd, any past use of this we could look at? i'm a sucker for a good formula. If you haven't had a chance to try it out yet, let's see it in a couple of months once the combine is over and the draft picks/trades/free agent acquisitions look more solid. If you can figure out a hard science for Day Two picks, you'd really have something there.

]]> By: bobd http://www.patriotsdaily.com/2009/01/making-the-rounds/comment-page-1/#comment-5152 bobd Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:41:22 +0000 http://www.patriotsdaily.com/?p=1677#comment-5152 Hey Dan, sorry it took me so long to get back to you. I guess what you have to see is that the draft is both a science and an art. Now the picks you mentioned were based on "art". Their genius in the 1st round is based on science. That is metrics. What I was trying to do was improve upon their scientific approach in the latter rounds. If you combine a scientific method with their art or philosophical approach I think you could have something really good going on on day 2. Hey Dan, sorry it took me so long to get back to you. I guess what you have to see is that the draft is both a science and an art. Now the picks you mentioned were based on "art". Their genius in the 1st round is based on science. That is metrics. What I was trying to do was improve upon their scientific approach in the latter rounds. If you combine a scientific method with their art or philosophical approach I think you could have something really good going on on day 2.

]]> By: Chris W. http://www.patriotsdaily.com/2009/01/making-the-rounds/comment-page-1/#comment-5151 Chris W. Tue, 20 Jan 2009 23:11:00 +0000 http://www.patriotsdaily.com/?p=1677#comment-5151 good point, medphred. I tried to address the players' value in the comments after each round. Though I considered a "Still in the NFL" category, it would have similar deficiencies. For example, while Samuel is still in the NFL, so is Jeremy Mincey. Possibly a "Made a free agent killing elsewhere" category? Hard to say. Thanks for writing. good point, medphred. I tried to address the players' value in the comments after each round. Though I considered a "Still in the NFL" category, it would have similar deficiencies. For example, while Samuel is still in the NFL, so is Jeremy Mincey. Possibly a "Made a free agent killing elsewhere" category? Hard to say.

Thanks for writing.

]]> By: Dan http://www.patriotsdaily.com/2009/01/making-the-rounds/comment-page-1/#comment-5150 Dan Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:44:30 +0000 http://www.patriotsdaily.com/?p=1677#comment-5150 Mediocre at best the rest of the way? They found a Hall of Fame quarterback in the sixth round, a Pro Bowl center in the fifth, a starting QB in the seventh, and a starting receiver in the seventh. You're a tough audience, bobd. Mediocre at best the rest of the way? They found a Hall of Fame quarterback in the sixth round, a Pro Bowl center in the fifth, a starting QB in the seventh, and a starting receiver in the seventh. You're a tough audience, bobd.

]]> By: bobd http://www.patriotsdaily.com/2009/01/making-the-rounds/comment-page-1/#comment-5149 bobd Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:36:25 +0000 http://www.patriotsdaily.com/?p=1677#comment-5149 I think the Pats need to use a new metric. They're great in the 1st round and mediocre at best the rest of the way. So whatever you're doing in the 1st rd. keep it up but then go to this new metric the rest of the way. And here it is: multiply production in college * the timed sprint in the combine. Highest number is best. So, for example, at QB pct. completion is production and multiply by the speed of the sprint (slower is better). On defense production is number of tackles. WR is number of catches per attempts thrown at. RB would be yards per carry. See the deal is always MULTIPLY by the speed. Not only will you get a guy who has a great chance to succeed but you target a guy that no one else is looking at. I think the Pats need to use a new metric. They're great in the 1st round and mediocre at best the rest of the way. So whatever you're doing in the 1st rd. keep it up but then go to this new metric the rest of the way. And here it is: multiply production in college * the timed sprint in the combine. Highest number is best. So, for example, at QB pct. completion is production and multiply by the speed of the sprint (slower is better). On defense production is number of tackles. WR is number of catches per attempts thrown at. RB would be yards per carry. See the deal is always MULTIPLY by the speed. Not only will you get a guy who has a great chance to succeed but you target a guy that no one else is looking at.

]]> By: ben http://www.patriotsdaily.com/2009/01/making-the-rounds/comment-page-1/#comment-5148 ben Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:11:20 +0000 http://www.patriotsdaily.com/?p=1677#comment-5148 Interesting analysis. I think its important to break out the chronology of drafting success, however, with the 2nd round a real negative statement whereas the 3rd round may turn out to be the opposite. Interesting analysis. I think its important to break out the chronology of drafting success, however, with the 2nd round a real negative statement whereas the 3rd round may turn out to be the opposite.

]]> By: medphred http://www.patriotsdaily.com/2009/01/making-the-rounds/comment-page-1/#comment-5147 medphred Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:54:03 +0000 http://www.patriotsdaily.com/?p=1677#comment-5147 Interesting but 'Still in NFL' would be a better measure of success v 'Still w the Team.' By looking at only 'Still w the team', it implies that players such as Samuel, Givens, etc were not successful selections. They were, the team just elected not to keep them for one reason or another. Interesting but 'Still in NFL' would be a better measure of success v 'Still w the Team.' By looking at only 'Still w the team', it implies that players such as Samuel, Givens, etc were not successful selections. They were, the team just elected not to keep them for one reason or another.

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