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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.patriotsdaily.com/2008/06/oxy-dirty/comment-page-1/#comment-3172</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 11:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, first of all, it was I who &quot;threw around the term&quot; hillbilly heroin - because that is a commonly used slang term to define the drug we&#039;re talking about. It&#039;s used because of the popularity of the drug amongst rural white males. I didn&#039;t coin the term, and I won&#039;t be the last to use it.  

The idea that I used that term because I&#039;m a &#039;Patriots hater&#039; looking to discredit the team is patently ridiculous. If that was the case, I certainly wouldn&#039;t have spent the last several years building this web site.

I happen to &#039;know&#039; Midd from another web site and he&#039;s not a Patriots hater either. He&#039;s a fan like everyboy else, and his question is entirely legitimate in my mind.

So save the &quot;you guys are just haters&quot; bullshit for somewhere else. If any &#039;haters&#039; decide to show up here simply to stir shit, I&#039;m the guy that runs them out. I&#039;m intent on making this site a place where Pats fans can interact without trolls ruining it. So you don&#039;t have to worry about that.

It&#039;s possible that good fans can simply be a little disgusted when an established three-year veteran is hooking up with a fan to illegally buy the very same drug that has commonly led to crime, even violent crime, in rural areas like mine. It&#039;s possible that good fans can get a little disgusted to find one of the team&#039;s players on the front page of the Globe as a federal informant. I don&#039;t see that as just one of those things that happens in every NFL city. A few blunts in the pocket - yeah, okay. Regular street buys of a dangerously addictive drug? No.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, first of all, it was I who &#8220;threw around the term&#8221; hillbilly heroin &#8211; because that is a commonly used slang term to define the drug we&#8217;re talking about. It&#8217;s used because of the popularity of the drug amongst rural white males. I didn&#8217;t coin the term, and I won&#8217;t be the last to use it.  </p>
<p>The idea that I used that term because I&#8217;m a &#8216;Patriots hater&#8217; looking to discredit the team is patently ridiculous. If that was the case, I certainly wouldn&#8217;t have spent the last several years building this web site.</p>
<p>I happen to &#8216;know&#8217; Midd from another web site and he&#8217;s not a Patriots hater either. He&#8217;s a fan like everyboy else, and his question is entirely legitimate in my mind.</p>
<p>So save the &#8220;you guys are just haters&#8221; bullshit for somewhere else. If any &#8216;haters&#8217; decide to show up here simply to stir shit, I&#8217;m the guy that runs them out. I&#8217;m intent on making this site a place where Pats fans can interact without trolls ruining it. So you don&#8217;t have to worry about that.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s possible that good fans can simply be a little disgusted when an established three-year veteran is hooking up with a fan to illegally buy the very same drug that has commonly led to crime, even violent crime, in rural areas like mine. It&#8217;s possible that good fans can get a little disgusted to find one of the team&#8217;s players on the front page of the Globe as a federal informant. I don&#8217;t see that as just one of those things that happens in every NFL city. A few blunts in the pocket &#8211; yeah, okay. Regular street buys of a dangerously addictive drug? No.</p>
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		<title>By: Looky Lou</title>
		<link>http://www.patriotsdaily.com/2008/06/oxy-dirty/comment-page-1/#comment-3171</link>
		<dc:creator>Looky Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 01:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>....I&#039;m still having a hard time figuring out what the &quot;argument&quot; IS.... yes, players getting arrested isn&#039;t a good thing, but do I think the Patriots have a MAJOR TEAMWIDE PROBLEM?...I&#039;m not in the locker room so I can only guess, my guess is NO.....I don&#039;t think this story should be ignored, but what kind of &quot;answers&#039; are people looking for?....should the Patriots hire a nanny to follow these guys around 24/7?......have more team meetings to tell them, &quot;DRUGS ARE BAD!&quot;?.....have the team doctor DOUBLE their dose of legal painkillers don&#039;t they don&#039;t have to &quot;hit the streets&quot;?....or because in all 3 incidents they were originally pulled over for a minor traffic violation, just tell em&#039;, &quot;Hey guys, WATCH OUT FOR THOSE COPS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.I&#8217;m still having a hard time figuring out what the &#8220;argument&#8221; IS&#8230;. yes, players getting arrested isn&#8217;t a good thing, but do I think the Patriots have a MAJOR TEAMWIDE PROBLEM?&#8230;I&#8217;m not in the locker room so I can only guess, my guess is NO&#8230;..I don&#8217;t think this story should be ignored, but what kind of &#8220;answers&#8217; are people looking for?&#8230;.should the Patriots hire a nanny to follow these guys around 24/7?&#8230;&#8230;have more team meetings to tell them, &#8220;DRUGS ARE BAD!&#8221;?&#8230;..have the team doctor DOUBLE their dose of legal painkillers don&#8217;t they don&#8217;t have to &#8220;hit the streets&#8221;?&#8230;.or because in all 3 incidents they were originally pulled over for a minor traffic violation, just tell em&#8217;, &#8220;Hey guys, WATCH OUT FOR THOSE COPS!</p>
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		<title>By: TimBuck4</title>
		<link>http://www.patriotsdaily.com/2008/06/oxy-dirty/comment-page-1/#comment-3170</link>
		<dc:creator>TimBuck4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 23:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to be so argumentative, but when I see people throwing around terms like &quot;Ghetto CVS&quot; lockerroom and &quot;Hillbilly Heroin&quot;, I should stop and remind myself that there are some patriots haters that are going to latch on to any story, with minimal facts, and smear the entire team and organization. 

Really, I hope you guys read the Favre article and hold off judgement of Kazur until more facts come in. 

The Patriots are a great team and even on a great team, as part of a great organization, people are going to make some mistakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to be so argumentative, but when I see people throwing around terms like &#8220;Ghetto CVS&#8221; lockerroom and &#8220;Hillbilly Heroin&#8221;, I should stop and remind myself that there are some patriots haters that are going to latch on to any story, with minimal facts, and smear the entire team and organization. </p>
<p>Really, I hope you guys read the Favre article and hold off judgement of Kazur until more facts come in. </p>
<p>The Patriots are a great team and even on a great team, as part of a great organization, people are going to make some mistakes.</p>
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		<title>By: Willie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Willie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, I think you are way off.  I don&#039;t see anyone here claiming to know what a pro football player goes through in terms of pain (except you I guess).  You are arguing with no one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, I think you are way off.  I don&#8217;t see anyone here claiming to know what a pro football player goes through in terms of pain (except you I guess).  You are arguing with no one.</p>
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		<title>By: TimBuck4</title>
		<link>http://www.patriotsdaily.com/2008/06/oxy-dirty/comment-page-1/#comment-3168</link>
		<dc:creator>TimBuck4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 20:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I started playing full-contact football in an adult semipro league (NEFL) at age 35. That&#039;s when I found Aleve and ended up taking it every day for a year or so, and then on and off after that. So, it&#039;s not a pro league but with plenty of pain and it&#039;s not such an absurd extrapolation to think the pros have more to deal with. What irks me is when people &quot;remember&quot; how easy it was to play football as kids, if they even did, and then bash pros who are wrecking their bodies for our entertainment and a relatively short term gain of fame and fortune. It seems to me that people who have never played are the quickest to pass judgement.

In the article I read, the dealer himself disputes the &quot;100&#039;s&quot; claim, so the details are in refute. Can you separate what happened before his arrest, which is in refute, from what happened after when the DEA was using him in the sting. It was the DEA who arranged to have him meet in a dingy parking lot.

Brett Favre publically acknowledged an addiction to pain killers. If you don&#039;t think it was horrible, please read the article: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/features/favre/flashbacks/bitter_pill/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started playing full-contact football in an adult semipro league (NEFL) at age 35. That&#8217;s when I found Aleve and ended up taking it every day for a year or so, and then on and off after that. So, it&#8217;s not a pro league but with plenty of pain and it&#8217;s not such an absurd extrapolation to think the pros have more to deal with. What irks me is when people &#8220;remember&#8221; how easy it was to play football as kids, if they even did, and then bash pros who are wrecking their bodies for our entertainment and a relatively short term gain of fame and fortune. It seems to me that people who have never played are the quickest to pass judgement.</p>
<p>In the article I read, the dealer himself disputes the &#8220;100&#8217;s&#8221; claim, so the details are in refute. Can you separate what happened before his arrest, which is in refute, from what happened after when the DEA was using him in the sting. It was the DEA who arranged to have him meet in a dingy parking lot.</p>
<p>Brett Favre publically acknowledged an addiction to pain killers. If you don&#8217;t think it was horrible, please read the article: <a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/features/favre/flashbacks/bitter_pill/" rel="nofollow">http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/features/favre/flashbacks/bitter_pill/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 20:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the instructive post, Tim. I&#039;ve been watching 40 years and had no idea they even took so much as an aspirin. Shocking.

Quick follow up question, though: What percentage of NFL players are getting treatment for their pain by buying pills from a fan in a shopping mall parking lot?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the instructive post, Tim. I&#8217;ve been watching 40 years and had no idea they even took so much as an aspirin. Shocking.</p>
<p>Quick follow up question, though: What percentage of NFL players are getting treatment for their pain by buying pills from a fan in a shopping mall parking lot?</p>
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		<title>By: SJGMoney</title>
		<link>http://www.patriotsdaily.com/2008/06/oxy-dirty/comment-page-1/#comment-3166</link>
		<dc:creator>SJGMoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 17:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There is no evidence I have seen that he has some horrible addiction ala HOF Brett Favre or any other NFL player.&quot;

@Timbuck4, how would you know if he has a horrible addiction, or in that regard are you a Pop Warner medical expert?  The guy was buying huge numbers of pills on a frequent basis. Either he was dealing himself or over-using, isn&#039;t either one a huge problem.

For his long-term health I hope he was dealing because I have heard from experts, and yes I&#039;ve talked to experts on this matter, Oxy addictions are extremely tough to recover from.  As in 95% against, tough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is no evidence I have seen that he has some horrible addiction ala HOF Brett Favre or any other NFL player.&#8221;</p>
<p>@Timbuck4, how would you know if he has a horrible addiction, or in that regard are you a Pop Warner medical expert?  The guy was buying huge numbers of pills on a frequent basis. Either he was dealing himself or over-using, isn&#8217;t either one a huge problem.</p>
<p>For his long-term health I hope he was dealing because I have heard from experts, and yes I&#8217;ve talked to experts on this matter, Oxy addictions are extremely tough to recover from.  As in 95% against, tough.</p>
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		<title>By: Willie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Willie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 17:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smaller dealers have bigger dealers.  Bigger dealers generally don&#039;t like to get caught.  Only happens in Hollywood though.

&quot;PLANO, Texas - A convicted steroids dealer who recently met with NFL security officials and gave them names of players he said bought steroids from him has been found dead in his home.&quot;
- Boston Herald 6/5</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smaller dealers have bigger dealers.  Bigger dealers generally don&#8217;t like to get caught.  Only happens in Hollywood though.</p>
<p>&#8220;PLANO, Texas &#8211; A convicted steroids dealer who recently met with NFL security officials and gave them names of players he said bought steroids from him has been found dead in his home.&#8221;<br />
- Boston Herald 6/5</p>
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		<title>By: Willie</title>
		<link>http://www.patriotsdaily.com/2008/06/oxy-dirty/comment-page-1/#comment-3164</link>
		<dc:creator>Willie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 17:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Tim, but I was stating Oxy is a terrible drug.  It has ruined many lives.  Someone is not immune to addiction because they happen to play a professional sport.  If you don&#039;t know that you should get off your high horse and see who is in rehabs these days.  Doctors, lawyers, professional athletes, all walks of life.  What league do you strap on a helmet for?  AFC or NFC?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Tim, but I was stating Oxy is a terrible drug.  It has ruined many lives.  Someone is not immune to addiction because they happen to play a professional sport.  If you don&#8217;t know that you should get off your high horse and see who is in rehabs these days.  Doctors, lawyers, professional athletes, all walks of life.  What league do you strap on a helmet for?  AFC or NFC?</p>
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		<title>By: TimBuck4</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hollywood Danger, according to the lawyers, the dealer was fairly small time. Some small time dealer is not going to track down an NFL players&#039; family as a revenge hit. The tapes are already made and it&#039;s just a matter of time before the dealer(s) plead. Yes, you are overstating the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hollywood Danger, according to the lawyers, the dealer was fairly small time. Some small time dealer is not going to track down an NFL players&#8217; family as a revenge hit. The tapes are already made and it&#8217;s just a matter of time before the dealer(s) plead. Yes, you are overstating the case.</p>
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