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	<title>Comments on: Outside Foxborough &#8211; The Ravens Curious Trade for Willis McGahee</title>
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		<title>By: Jjcruiser</title>
		<link>http://www.patriotsdaily.com/2007/11/outside-foxborough-the-ravens-curious-trade-for-willis-mcgahee/comment-page-1/#comment-2118</link>
		<dc:creator>Jjcruiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That doesn&#039;t have anything to do with my point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That doesn&#8217;t have anything to do with my point.</p>
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		<title>By: B</title>
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		<dc:creator>B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lamont Jordan wasn&#039;t the primary ball carrier in New York, and he&#039;s paid a lot more in Oakland than he was by the Jets.  Aquiring another team&#039;s backup running back is different than aquiring their primary ball carrier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lamont Jordan wasn&#8217;t the primary ball carrier in New York, and he&#8217;s paid a lot more in Oakland than he was by the Jets.  Aquiring another team&#8217;s backup running back is different than aquiring their primary ball carrier.</p>
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		<title>By: Jjcruiser</title>
		<link>http://www.patriotsdaily.com/2007/11/outside-foxborough-the-ravens-curious-trade-for-willis-mcgahee/comment-page-1/#comment-2116</link>
		<dc:creator>Jjcruiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I said, I realized Deuce came in through the draft.

I wasn&#039;t questioning why those guys weren&#039;t on the list.  My question related to the overall premise, which seems to be &quot;acquiring a new running back through free agency or by the trade is a mixed bag.&quot;  I wanted to hear whether it was really a mixed bag when you compare talent level of incoming RB with their cost versus the talent level of outgoing RBs compared with their cost.  How much did Oakland pay Lamont Jordan?  Was his cost equivelent to his production?  How about his replacement in New York compared to his cost?

My theory is that running back acquisitions are not bad because getting a new back is a bad idea, or even a mediocre idea; it&#039;s because they are overvalued in cap space.  I think that was Bill&#039;s original point, too, I just wanted him to make it more explicit by looking at the salaries rather than only production.  Maybe that information isn&#039;t available though.  That&#039;s certainly understandable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said, I realized Deuce came in through the draft.</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t questioning why those guys weren&#8217;t on the list.  My question related to the overall premise, which seems to be &#8220;acquiring a new running back through free agency or by the trade is a mixed bag.&#8221;  I wanted to hear whether it was really a mixed bag when you compare talent level of incoming RB with their cost versus the talent level of outgoing RBs compared with their cost.  How much did Oakland pay Lamont Jordan?  Was his cost equivelent to his production?  How about his replacement in New York compared to his cost?</p>
<p>My theory is that running back acquisitions are not bad because getting a new back is a bad idea, or even a mediocre idea; it&#8217;s because they are overvalued in cap space.  I think that was Bill&#8217;s original point, too, I just wanted him to make it more explicit by looking at the salaries rather than only production.  Maybe that information isn&#8217;t available though.  That&#8217;s certainly understandable.</p>
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		<title>By: B</title>
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		<dc:creator>B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jj: Deuce wouldn&#039;t show up on the list because when he replaced Ricky, he was aquired through the draft, not through a trade. Same for the backs who replaced Clinton Portis.  This study is looking at whether or not Portis and Ricky were an improvement over the guys they replaced at Washington and Miami.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jj: Deuce wouldn&#8217;t show up on the list because when he replaced Ricky, he was aquired through the draft, not through a trade. Same for the backs who replaced Clinton Portis.  This study is looking at whether or not Portis and Ricky were an improvement over the guys they replaced at Washington and Miami.</p>
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		<title>By: Jjcruiser</title>
		<link>http://www.patriotsdaily.com/2007/11/outside-foxborough-the-ravens-curious-trade-for-willis-mcgahee/comment-page-1/#comment-2113</link>
		<dc:creator>Jjcruiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But how many guys who switched teams did so because their last team knew they sucked and their new team didn&#039;t?  And more to the point, how many of these teams that acquired the new running back expected the new running back to be better?

Your hypothesis seems to presume that these guys are all supposed to be upgrades.  I&#039;m not sure that&#039;s right.

Take New Orleans trade of Ricky Williams to Miami.  Deuce ended up being pretty good, but you&#039;d have to assume NO did not expect their new guy to exceed Ricky&#039;s output (yes I know it was a draft, but the principle should be the same).  How about when the Broncos replaced Clinton Portis?  Doubtful they thought his replacement(s) (who were they even, Mike Anderson and Tatum Bell?) would be better.

Sometimes you just get the best back you can for the least money.  

What I think would make this comparison really interesting is to look at the salary and cap hits for these transfer backs and see who uses the players efficiently and who does not.  That would really tie in with your point about McGahee not being worth his contract....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But how many guys who switched teams did so because their last team knew they sucked and their new team didn&#8217;t?  And more to the point, how many of these teams that acquired the new running back expected the new running back to be better?</p>
<p>Your hypothesis seems to presume that these guys are all supposed to be upgrades.  I&#8217;m not sure that&#8217;s right.</p>
<p>Take New Orleans trade of Ricky Williams to Miami.  Deuce ended up being pretty good, but you&#8217;d have to assume NO did not expect their new guy to exceed Ricky&#8217;s output (yes I know it was a draft, but the principle should be the same).  How about when the Broncos replaced Clinton Portis?  Doubtful they thought his replacement(s) (who were they even, Mike Anderson and Tatum Bell?) would be better.</p>
<p>Sometimes you just get the best back you can for the least money.  </p>
<p>What I think would make this comparison really interesting is to look at the salary and cap hits for these transfer backs and see who uses the players efficiently and who does not.  That would really tie in with your point about McGahee not being worth his contract&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points about McGahee.

What I see in McGahee is a back who was underutilized in Buffalo, and someone who can actually hit cutbacks in Baltimore -- something that Jamal Lewis couldn&#039;t do with his bad ankles and knees.

I strongly feel that McGahee is an upgrade over Lewis.  Of course, when the &quot;genius&quot; is calling plays and abandons the run when it&#039;s obviously working to try and go vertical with McNair or Boller, you lose games.

This one is on a silver platter for the Pats...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points about McGahee.</p>
<p>What I see in McGahee is a back who was underutilized in Buffalo, and someone who can actually hit cutbacks in Baltimore &#8212; something that Jamal Lewis couldn&#8217;t do with his bad ankles and knees.</p>
<p>I strongly feel that McGahee is an upgrade over Lewis.  Of course, when the &#8220;genius&#8221; is calling plays and abandons the run when it&#8217;s obviously working to try and go vertical with McNair or Boller, you lose games.</p>
<p>This one is on a silver platter for the Pats&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kingslaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kingslaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t get it, through 11 games McGahee is ranked 3rd (total yards) in the NFL amongst RB&#039;s and has been the only bright spot in an otherwise pathetic offense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get it, through 11 games McGahee is ranked 3rd (total yards) in the NFL amongst RB&#8217;s and has been the only bright spot in an otherwise pathetic offense.</p>
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