Comments on: Patriots at Denver: Too Little Too Late http://www.patriotsdaily.com/2005/10/patriots-at-denver-too-little-too-late/ Where Every Day Is Patriots Day Thu, 02 Feb 2012 12:41:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: GDoyle http://www.patriotsdaily.com/2005/10/patriots-at-denver-too-little-too-late/comment-page-1/#comment-3 GDoyle Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:16:19 +0000 http://www.patriotsdaily.com/2005/10/patriots-at-denver-too-little-too-late/#comment-3 I don't disagree there are examples where Crennell made similar mistakes. He wasn't perfect, but he was a damn good coordinator. I just don't see how you can totally excuse what we've seen from Mangini so far. You've seen a lot of things you never saw under Crennell. And yes Mangini has had injuries. But so did Crennell. Crennell won with Earthwind Moreland starting games. He won in 2003 with Dan Klecko starting games at nosetackle as a rookie. He won with Don Davis playing safety. He won with Hank Poteat. He won with Troy Brown playing nickle back. He had injuries too and I never saw the big plays I am seeing this year. And I don't place all the blame on Mangini. I just haven't been impressed with his performance so far. As for the OL, I think they have largely been fine. Sure, some problems here and there. But decent overall and nowhere near the level of problem the defense has been. The Pats still have put up 20 points or more in 5 of the 6 games. Which is pretty good. But your comments are good. Thanks for them. Greg Doyle. I don’t disagree there are examples where Crennell made similar mistakes. He wasn’t perfect, but he was a damn good coordinator. I just don’t see how you can totally excuse what we’ve seen from Mangini so far. You’ve seen a lot of things you never saw under Crennell.

And yes Mangini has had injuries. But so did Crennell. Crennell won with Earthwind Moreland starting games. He won in 2003 with Dan Klecko starting games at nosetackle as a rookie. He won with Don Davis playing safety. He won with Hank Poteat. He won with Troy Brown playing nickle back. He had injuries too and I never saw the big plays I am seeing this year.

And I don’t place all the blame on Mangini. I just haven’t been impressed with his performance so far.

As for the OL, I think they have largely been fine. Sure, some problems here and there. But decent overall and nowhere near the level of problem the defense has been. The Pats still have put up 20 points or more in 5 of the 6 games. Which is pretty good.

But your comments are good. Thanks for them.

Greg Doyle.

]]> By: ctpatsfan http://www.patriotsdaily.com/2005/10/patriots-at-denver-too-little-too-late/comment-page-1/#comment-2 ctpatsfan Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:47:55 +0000 http://www.patriotsdaily.com/2005/10/patriots-at-denver-too-little-too-late/#comment-2 I disagree with your assessment of Mangini vs Crennel. How soon we forget the Pittsburgh game last year where Crennel called a blitz and left Randall Gay in single coverage of A. Randal El which resulted in a long TD pass. How soon we forget that Crennel was the DC of the 2002 9-7 team that missed the playoffs. I loved Romeo Crennel as the Patriots DC and had mixed emotions about his leaving, sad because I thought he was a great DC, happy because I was glad to see him get his, well deserved I might add, shot at a HC's position. To suggest the Patriots would of some how meshed better, learned the system better or the such if Romeo was here vs Eric is complete conjecture on your part. I don't see how Romeo being here makes Guss Scott cover any better or whiff on fewer tackles, for which the coaching staff had him in position to make, than he did. I don't see how it makes James Sanders not whiff on the tackles he was clearly in position to make but failed to complete. I dont' see how it makes Starks cover better. And you can't say Crennel wouldn't have had him in single coverage because I have already shown you were he put a rookie F/A in single coverage in a blitz call, and it happened more often than you care to mention with Crennel. I don't doubt there are some schemes/calls that Mangini would like to have back, and that his transition to DC combined with the new players and injuries hasn't been part of the problem, but I venture to guess (since we are all playing the game of conjecture) that the Patriots would still be 3-3 if Romeo was the DC. I find it interesting that you think that the problems with D seem to stem primarily from the change of Romeo to Mangini and not from the fact of injuries and new players apparently ill suited for this scheme, yet not a mention of how the OL is having its own issues this year and the fact that Jeff Davidson is no longer the Asst OL coach next to Dante is not the major reason for the poor performance of the OL this year. Why does Dante get the "pass" on the OL and Mangini get the brunt of the blame for the D? Both are facing new players due to injuries, could that not be the problem that both are facing? I disagree with your assessment of Mangini vs Crennel. How soon we forget the Pittsburgh game last year where Crennel called a blitz and left Randall Gay in single coverage of A. Randal El which resulted in a long TD pass. How soon we forget that Crennel was the DC of the 2002 9-7 team that missed the playoffs. I loved Romeo Crennel as the Patriots DC and had mixed emotions about his leaving, sad because I thought he was a great DC, happy because I was glad to see him get his, well deserved I might add, shot at a HC’s position. To suggest the Patriots would of some how meshed better, learned the system better or the such if Romeo was here vs Eric is complete conjecture on your part. I don’t see how Romeo being here makes Guss Scott cover any better or whiff on fewer tackles, for which the coaching staff had him in position to make, than he did. I don’t see how it makes James Sanders not whiff on the tackles he was clearly in position to make but failed to complete. I dont’ see how it makes Starks cover better. And you can’t say Crennel wouldn’t have had him in single coverage because I have already shown you were he put a rookie F/A in single coverage in a blitz call, and it happened more often than you care to mention with Crennel. I don’t doubt there are some schemes/calls that Mangini would like to have back, and that his transition to DC combined with the new players and injuries hasn’t been part of the problem, but I venture to guess (since we are all playing the game of conjecture) that the Patriots would still be 3-3 if Romeo was the DC.

I find it interesting that you think that the problems with D seem to stem primarily from the change of Romeo to Mangini and not from the fact of injuries and new players apparently ill suited for this scheme, yet not a mention of how the OL is having its own issues this year and the fact that Jeff Davidson is no longer the Asst OL coach next to Dante is not the major reason for the poor performance of the OL this year. Why does Dante get the “pass” on the OL and Mangini get the brunt of the blame for the D? Both are facing new players due to injuries, could that not be the problem that both are facing?

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